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Opinion Parramatta Cap / Court Battle.

Discussion in 'Parramatta Eels' started by Bazza, May 2, 2016.

  1. stanleyg

    stanleyg Well-Known Member

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    One good thing about this mess will be the court action.
    It wont be as entertaining as Roger and Glen using the "it wasn't me it was him defence" but it will be interesting to see how they defend the apparently indefensible.
    I guess they will use the "I may have or may not have done it BUT you have no right to sack me" argument.
    The only losers will be Parra who will have to foot the bill to make the lawyers rich and Bazza I am sure SJ was not referring to Andrew GEE but Golleeee GEE as in Gomer Pyle which is more apt to the Parra Board:bag:
     
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  2. S J

    S J Mod Squad Staff Member

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    Yes - by Golleee ... - don't you come the raw chop with me - barking at my prawns ... ;)
     
  3. TerryGaines

    TerryGaines Voider of Warranties

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    It's simple if you've already got all the answers you're looking for.

    For mine, the NRL can keep digging and digging until the cleansing day-light of total truth shows a bullet proof way to prevent the third party shite from recurring.
     
  4. TerryGaines

    TerryGaines Voider of Warranties

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    After a little thinking :banghead:, here's one way to clean this up for ever, with simplicity, immediacy, transparency and permanency.

    All players are to paid from a signal trust fund with the NRL as trustee. Teams and third parties put in cash earmarked for particular players to whom funds are dispersed. The end.

    The main idea is if you, as a player, received ANY payment from a source other than the trust, then that payment was by definition illegal.

    In this way we put ultimate accountability back on the players but control in the hands of an accredited financial professional.

    This mechanism would have prevented the Melbourne thing, the Bulldogs thing and this Parra thing.

    Your thoughts?
     
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    ALX22 Well-Known Member

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  6. stanleyg

    stanleyg Well-Known Member

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    Sounds good BUT what if they help a "friend" dig a sewer line or wash their car for them and get a nice little reward for their "help" which might have actually involved them just turning up?.
    The income isn't actually for being a well known footy player is it or am I just being a little cynical?
    The big problem with payola is the clubs themselves trying to compete with the more shall we say "connected" clubs and of course those shonky managers who have become a blight on the game in the act of feathering their own financial nest under the guise of getting the best deal for their client.
     
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  7. TerryGaines

    TerryGaines Voider of Warranties

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    In many areas of our game we have (1) zero tolerance rules, (2) people who don't think the rules apply to them and (3) sanctions to remind them that the rules actually do apply to everyone.

    (1) Examples of Zero tolerance.
    Players betting on games,
    Team officials publicly criticizing match officials,
    Use of performance enhancing drugs,
    Contact with the ref,
    Breaching the Salary cap.

    (2) Examples of people who don't always think the rules apply to them.
    Ryan Tandy,
    Ricky Stewart,
    Sandor Earl,
    Sam Thaiday,
    Daniel Anderson.

    (3) Consequent sanctions,
    dying in oblivion of a suspected drug overdose,
    Multiple fines,
    bans,
    suspensions,
    life in the electric chair.

    Some small percentage of the NRL's team members, possibly 0.5 % may be corruptible or corrupt, but with some form of the NRL dispersing the pay and a zero tolerance on breaches, the consequences of detecting any payola should land squarely on the heads of those involved rather than the team as a whole.
     
  8. ALX22

    ALX22 Well-Known Member

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    What has Sam Thaiday done wrong???
     
  9. TerryGaines

    TerryGaines Voider of Warranties

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    Pretty much nothing as you can see below.


    Sam just got pinged for breaking a rule: Thou shalt not touch thy referee anywhere ever. A rule is a rule.

    Thaiday found guilty of handling referee
    Updated 4 Apr 2013, 1:58am

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    PHOTO: Sam Thaiday was found guilty of handling referee Adam Devcich and will miss the match against the Titans.(Getty Images: Bradley Kanaris)



    Broncos captain Sam Thaiday has been found guilty of handling referee Adam Devcich and will miss his team's clash against the Titans on Friday night.

    Thaiday fronted the NRL judiciary in Sydney on Wednesday night charged with contrary conduct for grabbing Devcich's shirt in Brisbane's loss to Melbourne last Friday.

    The Broncos' legal team unsuccessfully argued that Thaiday was merely demonstrating how he was grabbed by Melbourne opponent Bryan Norrie when trying to exit a scrum to stop Billy Slater running away for a try.

    The judiciary panel took less than two minutes to uphold the charge.

    The Queensland Origin forward said he had a fair hearing and accepts the judiciary's decision.

    "At no stage did I want to be a bad sportsman," Thaiday said after the hearing.

    "I accept my penalty and go back to Brisbane to support my team 100 per cent against the Titans."

    Thaiday argued he had not acted contrary to the spirit of the game by making contact, but admitted he did not have to touch the referee to make his point.

    His defence counsel Peter Shields said Thaiday should have never been placed in the position where he was remonstrating with the referee because the try should not have been awarded.

    Shields provided evidence in the form of a radio interview from NRL referees boss Daniel Anderson saying Thaiday had not acted outside the spirit of the game.

    Thaiday explained why he had grabbed the shirt of Devcich but said he never touched his body.

    "I was trying to get an explanation out of the referee as to whether we could pull shirts," Thaiday said.

    "It was a pinch to me. It's very hard to do anything with a mouthguard in your hand."

    There can be no doubt it could have been avoided.

    NRL prosecutor Peter Kite


    NRL prosecutor Peter Kite said touching the jersey constituted touching the referee, adding:

    "There can be no doubt it could have been avoided."

    The Broncos skipper receives a one-match suspension plus 50 carry-over points and will return for the round six game against the Cowboys at Lang Park on Friday week.

    His place in the Brisbane line-up against Gold Coast on Friday is likely to be taken by Scott Anderson while Alex Glenn is set to captain the Broncos..

    Thaiday rushed back to Brisbane on Wednesday night to be with his pregnant wife Rachel who is due to give birth in a week.

    ABC/AAP
     
  10. S J

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    Good to see. What don't they understand ?

    Once we thought you could touch and handle women at your discretion. Now it doesn't happen.

    Why can't footballers understand - they don't touch the Ref ?
     
  11. S J

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    SMH - worth a read.

    It's the half-million dollar hangover that will continue to haunt the Parramatta Eels next season.

    In a development that could cruel Parramatta's chances of bringing Jarryd Hayne back to the club, Fairfax Media can reveal the fallout from the NRL's salary cap investigation isn't over, with $500,000 worth of third-party agreements guaranteed by the club for 2017 to be included in next year's salary cap.

    The salary cap will rise from $6.8 million to $7.1 million next season, however the club's indiscretions over the past few years means the Eels will only have $6.6 million at their disposal in 2017.

    The Eels had $770,000 worth of third-party agreements for the past three years added to the salary cap for this season, which required the club to shed Nathan Peats, Ryan Morgan and retire Anthony Watmough before it was allowed to begin competing for points last Friday.

    On top of the $500,000 next year and the $770,000 for the past three years, it is also understood the club will have another $150,000 worth of TPA's included in the salary cap in 2018.

    Fairfax Media understands third-party arrangements with Kieran Foran, Michael Jennings, Semi Radradra, Beau Scott and Watmough will all be included in next year's salary cap, casting huge doubt over the club's ability to afford Hayne at the expected going rate of $1.2 million a season.

    If Corey Norman is successful in negotiating the $850,000-a-season deal he is asking for, it is estimated the club will have close to $3.6 million tied up in five players (Foran, Jennings, Scott, Radradra and Norman), leaving just $3 million to spend on the remaining 20 players in the top 25 squad. (ie approx. $150k each - almost the minimum allowed !).

    (BUT) ... Manu Ma'u, Tim Mannah, Tepai Moeroa and Brad Takarangi are among the other high-profile players tied to the club for next season on a total value of about $1 million.

    But easing their cap woes is the departure of Peats to the Titans last week, the immediate retirement of Watmough and the defection of Junior Paulo to Canberra next year.

    The club also has $600,000 to spend on a marquee player allowance, the majority of which has been allocated to accommodate Foran's multi-million dollar deal.

    While Hayne has previously indicated he would like to play for Parramatta if he decided to return to the NRL, the Eels' first priority remains retaining Norman.

    The Queenslander is off contract at the end of this season and had agreed to hold off testing his value on the open market out of respect for Parramatta's salary cap woes.

    The Eels and his manager Paul Sutton are in the process of of trying to land a deal, however Parramatta's offer of $2.1 million over three seasons is well short of the $2.5 million Norman is hopeful of securing.

    Norman will be unlikely to attract third-party arrangements with the dark cloud over the club, the Eels will have to fit the bulk of his contract in the salary cap for next season.

    ON CONTRACT:
    Kieran Foran (2019)
    Michael Jennings (2019)
    Semi Radradra (2018)
    Beau Scott (2018)
    OFF CONTRACT - Corey Norman
    = ($3.6m)

    Then:
    Manu Ma'u (2017)
    Tim Mannah (2017)
    Brad Takarangi (2017)
    Tepai Moeroa
    = ($1m)

    But, also:
    Kaysa Pritchard (2018)
    Peni Terepo (2017)
    David Gower (2017)
    Clinton Gutherson (2017)
    Daniel Alvaro (2018)
    Kenny Edwards (2017)
    John Folau (2017)
    Bevan French (2018)
    I find it difficult to believe all these guys are on the minimum payment. So - maybe - $1.5m ?

    17 players - so we need another 8 !

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    OFF CONTRACT: ($$$$ ? - even at the minimum you'd have to assume - at least $1m)
    Michael Gordon
    Danny Wicks
    Anthony Watmough (retired)
    Isaac De Gois
    Vai Toutai
    Junior Paulo (Canberra)
    Nathan Peats (Titans)

    Cameron King
    Luke Kelly
    James Hasson
    Mitch Cornish

    (We're now - conservatively at $7.1m with SMH saying they have - at best - $6.6m).

    How can they possibly get Hayne ?
     
  12. ALX22

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    Might be some pay cuts coming...
     
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  13. Bazza

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    Today is the day!

    Boot the 5 directors out. It's like The Godfather movies - the 5 boroughs ...eventually Brando dies...Get a good hitman, instead 5 bullets get a uzi and take all them out. That was over the top Bazza, but until the 5 directors have done, there is no peace with the fans.
     
  14. stanleyg

    stanleyg Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget if the court rules against them there is still an "appeals" process and those directors have shown they will probably fight to the very last dollar of the clubs money if necessary
     
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    SMH: Explosive new documents allege Brisbane recruiter Peter Nolan gave star playmaker Corey Norman cash payments at Top Ryde car park during his time at Parramatta as part of the club's rorting of the salary cap.
    Fairfax Media has obtained a sworn statement by former Eels chief executive Scott Seward and the transcripts from the interview the NRL integrity unit conducted with former football manager Jason Irvine. The accounts detail the illegal payments dished out to Parramatta players, including the third party and cash variety, that were guaranteed by the club in contravention to NRL rules.

    But the biggest twist in the saga is the alleged involvement of Nolan, considered one of the best talent spotters in the game. Seward and Irvine describe Nolan – who discovered Semi Radradra at a rugby Sevens tournament – as one of the administrators fully aware of a secret payments scheme designed to circumvent the salary cap.

    In his signed statement, Seward writes: "Corey Norman was promised additional payments of $36,000 which was to cover rental payments of approximately $3000 per month.

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    If true - no wonder Clubs like Saints had no way to get these players.
     
  16. stanleyg

    stanleyg Well-Known Member

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    You would have thought paper bag cash payments went out of fashion with the Bjerke Peterson government and their former police commissioner Terry "the bagman" Lewis.
    The Dragons only seem to train up players for other clubs but are good at signing older players who want a top up of their retirement fund
     
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  17. Bazza

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    Personally, many parra fans what Hayne back. I don't, they (Parra members) has to get their closet in order and 5 new competent directors and get 3-4 new young emerging talents, but Hayne. That will cost 1.1 Million a deal (Hayne)f**k that.
     
  18. stanleyg

    stanleyg Well-Known Member

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    Hayne has a Jacobs technicolour dreamcoat of dreams and would only have another dream involving Parra if the cash is right. Parra could spent that cash on a few players to fill their roster rather than risk it on a guy who might have a new dream next week.
    Bazza have you bought any of his Nfl hats that have been reduced to around $35?
     
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    Bazza Well-Known Member

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    No.

    I was a 49niners fan when I was teenager - Joe Mantano
     
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    stanleyg Well-Known Member

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    I have a worn out Chargers hat but have always been a fan of the first up winners the Cheese heads:woot:.
    You do have to wonder why the "hayne plane " suddenly got that new dream and left NFL so suddenly. You think it might have been because he was about to get cut or just that he went to sleep and woke up with a new dream?
     

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